![]() ![]() JB: Um, I believe officially it's, uh, C.A. ![]() And that’s pretty much it.ĪM: And Josh Brown, what is your job title? You're constantly replacing running rigging and standing rigging, rebuilding blocks, replacing ironwork that's washed up or worn out. ![]() And we also maintain the running rigging on the ships, which is the block and tackles, uh, ropes and lines that you use to, um, manipulate the yards and sails. And we, we make standing rigging, which is the wire, uh, that holds the masts and yards up. But our primary focus is the ships' rigging. Um, we also, uh, fabricate the mooring lines and mooring systems that moor the ships to the pier. Uh, we maintain the ships' running rigging and standing rigging on all the vessels. I work on, uh, maintaining and, um, keeping the rigging operable on the ships that we have in our collection. JP: My job title is a Historic Ship Rigger at San Francisco Maritime National Historic Park. and listen to the stories they shared, given Two Mics Before the Mast.ĪM: Feel free to introduce yourselves, guys. SO: True! From here on, we’ll be playing excerpts from our interview.ĪM: So grab a bitt, take a sit, join us outside of our figurative fo’c’sle. SO: And, together, both of them make sure it doesn’t sink!ĪM: And both of them should probably be the ones elaborating on this. And as a rigger – since rigging refers to the ropes and cables that support a ship’s masts, and which control its yards and sails – Josh Payne’s job is to make sure the boat moves. As a shipwright, Josh Brown’s job is to build or repair a boat. but, first, here’s one quick and simple way of differentiating them. We’ll learn more about what they do for the park, how they got here, and why they do what they do. who are both named Josh.ĪM: Two Mics, Two Joshes? Josh Brown is a shipwright and Josh Payne a rigger. ![]() Today, we’ll continue with an interview with not one, but two Maritime park staff. You can catch that on the park’s website and iTunes. SO: We’ve already released a special episode talking with our resident chanteyman and former ranger, Peter Kasin. Many things have changed since Dana first set foot on the Pilgrim, but the hard work and dedication needed to keep a boat – or a fleet of historic vessels – afloat hasn’t.ĪM: For this series, we’ll be interviewing our fellow crewmates: the rangers, riggers, carpenters, librarians – haha, true – whose work often finds them before the public, as well as the mast. Hoping fresh air and time away from his studies would heal him, he joined the crew of a merchant ship in Boston, which eventually found its way around Cape Horn to San Francisco. SO: In 1834, 19-year-old Dana of Cambridge, Massachusetts, was afflicted by the measles, which affected his eyesight. in his wildly popular memoir, Two Years Before the Mast. Life there was famously chronicled by Richard Henry Dana, Jr. And if that sounds like a maritime literary reference to you, it is.ĪM: “Before the mast” refers to the forecastle, or the quarters of common sailors, in the front of a ship. SO: This new podcast is called Two Mics Before the Mast. In that series, we trace events and ideas that shaped the lives of people who arrived on the San Francisco waterfront in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.ĪM: Today, we’re shifting gears and introducing the first episode of a new series, where we get to know people who preserve and pass on maritime history in the present. SO: You may know us from San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park’s podcast, Better Lives, Bitter Lies. SABRINA OLIVEROS (SO): Hi! I’m Sabrina Oliveros. TRANSCRIPT: “Preserving Historic Ships with Rigger Josh Payne and Shipwright Josh Brown” ![]()
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